geico anywhere anytime. just a tap away on the geico app. ♪ >>> with us now at the table is michael duffy managing editor of "time" magazine. the new issue karl icahn, the master of the universe and features an exclusive interview with him on the need to hold apple shares. he's looking for a buy back. what's going on here. >> karl icahn is back but never really left. we used to call him a raider and he went after weak companies. now he's a shareholder activist. big difference. >> what's the deal with apple. why is it such a rich target. >> bankrupters go where the money is. instead of going after weaker companies they are going after wealthier ones. that's where holding a lot of money on their books, $2 trillion worth of cash on american corporate books and guys like karl icahn think that money should be in their hands. >> he says tim cook is doing a good job with the business. whether he does what i want or not but apple is not a bank. willie he's trying to shake the money tree. >> for people who know the